In this horrifying episode, the hosts are joined by the talented actor Matthew Baughman, offering unique insights into the sensational 2017 film "One Cut of the Dead." With its innovative take on the zombie genre, the film's single-take and clever narrative twists have left an indelible mark on cinema. The episode delves into the film's profound impact on both audiences and filmmakers, exploring how its low-budget origins transformed into a global phenomenon, redefining audience expectations and entertaining the hell out of our hosts.
In this horrifying episode, the hosts are joined by the talented stage actor Matthew Baughman, offering unique insights into the sensational 2017 film One Cut of the Dead. With its innovative take on the zombie genre, the film's single-take and clever narrative twists have left an indelible mark on cinema. The episode delves into the film's profound impact on both audiences and filmmakers, exploring how its low-budget origins transformed into a global phenomenon, redefining audience expectations and entertaining the hell out of our hosts.
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speaker 1: I, I wanna be a champion of this movie because I remember you telling me about this. I'm like, okay. I don't give a, I, I would not have watched it if it weren't for this podcast. I have, there's a lot of barriers. You changed lives here. You changed lives. I feel like a new human being right now, so I have to thank you for,
speaker 2: but I was just like, thanks for all the, the opening clips for this episode.
Welcome to. Don't Encourage us, the podcast where we talk about the big ideas behind fiction projects of all different kinds. Books, movies, TV shows, video games, nothing's off limits. I'm your host, Joe Piscopo, and I'm here with my co-host, Tre Williams. I treat. Hey, how are you? Good to see you and today.
Good to see you. And today we have a special guest, Matt Boman, theater star and local celebrity. Hi Matt.
speaker 1: Good evening. You can call me general sweatpants.
speaker 2: That's a good Nome de plume. So French. Today we're gonna talk a little bit about one cut of the dead, the 2017 independent micro budget film. It's a Japanese film in Japanese, so that means subtitles, written and directed by Shi Chiro uda. Sure. Anybody wanna take a swing at that? No, no way. All right. I'll just wait for the angry letters.
So normally we start with a little warmup. We talk about some things that we're interested in. But I think today we're kind of short on time, so why don't we get right into it. Before you guys tell me what you think of it, how about I give you a brief spoiler free summary and my swing at what the premise of it is.
Does that sound doable? Does anybody
speaker 1: else wanna, yeah, I wanna see what your spoiler free summary is going to be. Okay.
speaker 2: Now, normally, normally I let my co-host swing at this one. Um, but in the interest of time,
speaker 3: yeah, no, uh, no shade thrown there.
speaker 2: I dunno. Were, were you ready? Are you dying to do it or do you want me to take this one? I'm actually not dying to do this one. Okay.
speaker 1: Did you actually make it through the movie this time? I made it through the movie, the
speaker 3: entire movie in one sitting. Wow. Good job. We can
speaker 2: talk about that later. Third attempt, actually, I think it's
speaker 3: the fourth attempt, but Amazon, Amazon Prime Video is loving my, uh, 2 99
speaker 1: purchases.
Now, is that a spoiler review for you? Yeah, pretty
speaker 2: much it's your number one suggestion every time you log in. Would you like to watch one Cut of the Dead again, the first 35 minutes? I'll
speaker 3: just wait till we, uh, till we do the podcast episode and then I'll watch it all way, all the way through. Yeah. But I have some
speaker 2: new thoughts on this one, but, uh, excellent.
I'm excited. All right, so for those of you who haven't seen it, this is the summary. Here we go. Low budget horror film about the cast and crew of a zombie movie, trying to survive an attack by real zombies and the unhinged director who's so obsessed with realism that he summoned them. Right? That's a pretty good summary, right?
Yeah. Good job. That's the spoiler free summary. If you have not seen this movie, check out, delete the podcast. Forget you ever met us, and well, you don't have to
speaker 1: delete it. Just pause it and then go back. Come back 'cause it's gonna be a good discussion. I can feel it. Delete Microsoft Office. Uninstall windows, delete voice mute.
speaker 2: Okay, so that's the spoiler free summary, and this is a great movie. I love this movie. It has a special place in my heart, so I highly recommend you just hit pause or delete and go check out this film. It's available. It's kinda hard to find, actually. I think it's on Shutter for free or part of that subscription, but it's also available to rent in multiple places.
Also,
speaker 1: don't read anything about it. Yeah, and don't watch the trailer. Yes, absolutely. And stick it out for the first 37 minutes.
speaker 2: Exactly. You gotta get past, it's like 37 40 before it, before it turns. Okay, so here's the actual brief summary. It's not a horror movie at all. It's a comedy about a bunch of dysfunctional people who come together to make a zombie movie on a live broadcast all in one take.
Anybody want to add anything to that?
speaker 1: Yeah, I would say if anyone has ever seen a British farce called Noises Off, which was apply in a movie, this is pretty much just like a. I wouldn't even call it a horror movie like the once you get past the 37 minutes, it's not a horror movie at all. It's interesting the fact that when you look at the description, it has horror up front, but it's basically, I would say there's three acts.
There's the horror movie, quote, unquote horror movie. There's the making of the horror movie, and then there's the actual, or there's the behind the scenes of coming up with it. Then the the third act is the making of it, where you see the behind the scenes and you have to watch the first 37 minutes because all the Easter eggs will make sense in the third act.
speaker 2: That's right. So it's, it's three acts, roughly 30 plus minutes each. Yep. Act one is what appears to be a really cheesy, horrible, real, almost unwatchable, low budget zombie movie that just, it just seems to go off the rails on its own. Then the second act is, takes place a month before that, and it's the buildup from the assembly of the crew to make the film and their preparation.
And then the last 30 minutes is game day, where you actually get to see the original 37 minutes, but now from a further back perspective where you can see all the hilarity behind the scenes as they're trying to make this movie work. So it's a, it's a really clever idea and I really enjoy it. I love it.
It's
speaker 1: also a live broadcast, so they can't stop. It's a one shot 37 minute live broadcast. Yeah, I think so. They have, they have to keep on going. There's like improving. It's just, it's a, I mean, and I have to be honest with you, the first 37 minutes I was like watching this and my notes were just railing on this, like how bad it was.
And I'm like, how, how are you making us watch this? But then I ha I actually literally stopped taking notes halfway through 'cause I was so into it, like the, the filmmaking of it. So spoiler review for me, I loved it. It's like, I would probably put it up as one of my favorite movies, to be honest with you.
Yeah. There
speaker 2: we go. I,
speaker 3: I changed my tune on this one. I thought I was watching it. Same as you met. And I was like, I can't keep watching this. This is the most horrendous thing I've ever seen. But then as I got further into the movie, I. And having done short films in the past mm-hmm. And being interested in, in film in general, seeing that behind the scenes perspective was just absolutely hilarious.
Mm-hmm. Like so many of the stuff that, so much of the stuff that was happening in the movie was just like, was shocking to see what was actually going on behind the scenes and it was extremely clever. I don't, I think this might be the hardest movie to
speaker 1: market. I. I, I was gonna thing because if you just watched the trailer thinking it's a horror movie, why would anyone turn the, like I would not, I watched the trailer after, um, after watching the movie, and there's no way I would've, 'cause they don't really spoil it.
They kind of do a little bit at the end of it. There's no way I would click say Yes. Why did you pick this movie to begin with? Yeah.
speaker 2: Yeah. So this is probably a good example of the roundabout way that people find this film, especially outside of Japan. I was, uh, idly Googling and I googled like the best zombie movies of all time, and it was like a top 10 or 12 list.
And I went through and like I, I've seen a lot of 'em before, but this one I hadn't seen. And the reviewer wrote very specifically, like, This movie is amazing. It has a hundred percent rating on Rotten Tomatoes. I am not going to tell you why. If you're at all interested, go watch this movie. So I was like, Hmm, uh, this person's probably a little hyperbolic and like, you know, just loves everything and they love zombies, and this is some little pet favorite of theirs.
So I put it on a list and then I went over to a friend's place like a month later. I just put it in my notes as like, maybe check it out. But I didn't watch a trailer. And at my friends he was like, what should we watch? And there was nothing we could think of. And I just, it occurred to me like, oh, this movie is super high rated.
I. He was like, well, let's just put it on and see how it is. And for the first 37 minutes I was like legit out loud. Like, how in the world could this possibly have a hundred percent on Rotten Tomatoes? It shouldn't even have 2% on Rotten Tomatoes. And that disparity alone kept me watching. And then after the initial phase, the like 37 minute or 38 minute like zombie flick, then it switched gears.
And I was like, is this a different movie? What is it? Did that movie end? And now we're onto a different film? Like this is so confusing. It just blew my mind and it was so much fun. So I think that's probably the, the only reasonable way to find it, unless you have friends who will force you to watch it for a podcast.
You're welcome. I thought you had the worst taste
speaker 3: in movies. I was just thinking this is just the worst recommendation of a movie I've I've ever gotten. I don't know what's going on, but again, I kept thinking a hundred percent on Rotten Tomatoes. Why, and then prepping for this podcast, I thought I read, um, that it was nominated for a Japanese Oscar.
speaker 2: Mm-hmm. I was like, wow, that was
speaker 3: pretty impressive on that insanely low budget. What was it? How much,
speaker 1: what
speaker 2: was the budget on this thing? 20 was like 25 to 27. Yeah, that's what I, yeah.
speaker 1: And I think made millions, right? Yeah. Maybe 25 million. 30
speaker 2: million. Yeah. This is 30 million. Almost 30. Unbelievable. Yeah.
That's
speaker 3: like a paranormal, paranormal activity. Yep. Type
speaker 2: of, or like Blair Witch Absolutely. Type of success. And it's a foreign language film, so it doesn't get the play that Blair Witch. Witch, I think it's better than Blair Witch. Oh,
speaker 1: a hundred percent. Yeah. So much better. So Steve, when you were watching it before the podcast, when you kept on turning it off mm-hmm.
Like when were you, when were the stopping points for you? It was basically the
speaker 3: same part. It was when they were, when they ran into the van for
speaker 1: the first time. Okay. I was like, I can't handle this. I dunno, maybe it
speaker 3: was like 10, or what was it? Maybe 20
speaker 2: minutes into the movie. You're getting closer. I think
speaker 1: you're, you're so close.
I know
speaker 3: you kept telling me that, but what kept happening on Amazon Prime? You know how it gives you like 48 hours to watch the movie? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. There was a time that I went back in and I'm like, maybe I'll keep watching it. And then it would say like, you have 40 minutes left to watch the movie. And I'm like, I can't.
I would just not watch it. And then we'd go through the whole thing and I'm like, I hope he's not gonna suggest this movie again, 'cause I really can't rent it again. And then he'd mentioned again and I'd be sitting around like, alright, let's give this a shot again. Let's fire up Amazon Prime. I feel like I'm in another three bucks or whatever.
Mm-hmm. And then I'd get to a round. 20 minutes or so, a little past the van scene and I'm like, no, I can't. I'll watch the rest later. Then I'd forget about it. Then I'd come back and then it's like, you have 25 minutes left on your rental. Yeah. And then I'm like, here we
speaker 2: go. Here we go. Yeah. Well I felt some of your pain, like I decided to rewatch it in preparation for this.
And even knowing that the last half hour is all about like making jokes about what you're watching in the first half hour. I, I was like, it's painful. Yeah. This beginning is so bad that even knowing all that and how funny it is, it's so, I'm so tempted to skip ahead 'cause it's so painful to watch those first 37 minutes.
It's like a horrendous student film.
speaker 1: It is. That's exactly what it is. Just give a
speaker 3: bunch of kids a camera and they're like, okay. Film something.
speaker 1: Yeah. Did you like at any point realize there's gonna be a twist coming any and during that 37 minutes, or did you actually literally think it was gonna be
speaker 2: this?
I thought it was literally gonna be this. Yeah. Yeah. I,
speaker 1: I kind of, it was only 'cause of the runtime because everyone was getting killed off so early and I'm like, there's no way. It's like 30 minutes. Mm-hmm. And pretty much the entire cast is getting killed off. Mm-hmm. I said, something is going on here, but I, I, so I knew there was gonna be a twist, but I did not know it was gonna be, they're making this film.
Uh, uh, I thought it was gonna be kind of like the one month earlier was gonna be kind of like what I thought it was gonna be kind of like the, the prequel of what? Getting these actors together. But the, it was still a zombie movie. Mm-hmm. Like the zombie movies were, it was still gonna be a zombie movie.
I didn't realize it was gonna be, they were gonna make a, a zombie movie and that's how they were gonna do it. So I, I, and then like the, when the girl, the lead girl chopped off her boyfriend's head, it was, that was so fake and that, that was kind of like, alright, that there's something going on here. I think this might be, this might be something.
'cause it was so unrealistic, I say cannot be this bad. Mm-hmm. But like the, the first part you have to watch because of all my notes, I was like, why is the makeup lady doing. Karate or whatever
speaker 2: it's called.
speaker 1: Self-defense. Yeah, self-defense, yeah. And I thought that was just like, oh, they're foreshadowing that she's gonna be able to, to kick the zombies.
And then I also wrote, why are the zombies such bad actors? They're so, they're doing really weird movements. There's this one shot where like the, the sound guy hit the one, which I thought he, he had the, the most hilarious running bit with. Had to drink soft, soft water. If he had hard water, he would have diarrhea, but he, he was just sitting in the background when a zombie was attacking.
He was just sitting there. Yeah. And I'm like, if a zombie was coming in, why isn't he running out? I don't know. It was just genius how they called it all
speaker 2: back. So basically you thought they did a ton of stuff wrong, but those couple things they did right. Like yeah, that's what clued you in. Whereas I just assumed they were that stupid and that bad, and this was just that low quality of a film.
I thought it was
speaker 1: just that low quality of a film.
speaker 2: The blackout instincts kicked in.
speaker 3: Go ahead. The blacked out dp. That was just the funniest. I couldn't stop laughing when, when that park came up where you're like, he's just passed out and they're like putting makeup all over him and just sending him out.
speaker 1: That was, that was amazing.
speaker 3: It was genius. And how he was actually banging on the door 'cause the guy was like, yeah, yeah.
speaker 2: Holding him up
speaker 1: and like, I thought the acting was extremely good because you know, I've had to act in shows where you, I play a bad actor. It's very difficult to do and like especially the director, the who had to step in.
He was so over the top in the movie of the movie, he was so over the top as like a really nasty director, but he was so like timid in real life. It was just really good contrast. Same with the lead guy. It was the lead guy was this big artistic guy, but in the movie he kind of played this kind of like, Shy, kind of bad actor, teenager, I don't know.
It is just all around really good. It's like when we, all three of us agree, it's not the most entertaining part of a podcast, but I I, I have no
speaker 2: criticism to this movie. Well actually I'm glad you're on because I wanted to talk about that, uh, today and get your insights. So for those who haven't watched it, you know, again, like you're ruining a wonderful experience by listening to this instead of watching it first.
But a lot of the actors in this film get to play dual roles, right? Right. They get to play, uh, initially a character as part of the zombie movie they're making, and that's all that we see them as for the first 37 minutes. And then those same actors get to play a second role, which is a more three-dimensional character and very interesting.
And he, Matt's referring to the director character. So in the first half hour he's playing, uh, by the way, that's, uh, Taaka, Yuki tsu. Um, and it doesn't look like any of these actors have done too much, although there are some sequels we'll talk about later. But anyway, TA Yuki TSU is playing initially this abusive obsessed hack director.
Then we find out that his actual character, his real personality is that he's humble, he's timid, and he's really pragmatic and he's trying to make everyone happy in the buildup to shooting this. And he wants the respect of his wife and daughter. So then, you know, over the, his arc over the film is to become more passionate about his work and more bold, you know, and more in charge, and that brings him closer to his daughter.
Right. Does that sound right to you guys? Yeah, definitely. Yeah. So similarly, the, in the original or the first 37 minutes, there's a, a makeup lady who is seemingly possessed at one point, and she becomes a threat and then ends up chasing the main character and is one of the, the final threats that the female lead in this fake movie has to defeat.
Then for the rest of the film, we find out she's actually the director's wife. She's a woman who used to be an actress, and now she has a lot of different interests and passions, but she has to quit because she goes overboard and she chronically like over commits to her interests. And that's what happened in the first 37 minutes as she got super into playing that role and kind of lost control.
Right. So a all the actors have these like dual sides to their character. Yep. So Matt, like you said, it's hard to play that and specifically you added they're playing bad actors, so that's even harder. But was it, is there anything else about playing a dual role or how they did it in this film that, that stood out to you?
The dual
speaker 1: role part is a really always really fun to play. I was in the, the show, the play that I mentioned earlier that I thought this was kind of like noises off. I, I was in that. Mm-hmm. I, I was in that show and it's basically, I play. Kind of like a conceited actor. And then I play this very nebbish guy on, on stage.
So it's a, it's a really good challenge. That's actually kind of easier because you do kind of just, you start off, you just make, basically build two character sets. And this movie, I could see it, the third act was kind of different. I could see can be very difficult because they have to go back and forth.
Mm-hmm. So basically the first act of the movie, they're playing their character. So it's almost, they're playing, they're in another movie. So they get to play that like the, the director, he gets to play this overbearing director. The second act, he gets to play this timid person. But the third act is what it, where the challenge comes in, where you kind of have to go back and forth.
And I thought each of the actors did such a good job going back and forth between the character they were playing in the movie and the character and the. I know the person, uh, it's very hard to, to even play the zombie, the zombie
speaker 2: film, the
speaker 1: character they played in the zombie film, zombie film, movie character.
There we go. Yeah. The zombie film and movie character going back and forth. Each actor did such a good job, especially a director. Yeah, because the director was really hared, like, he's like running around back scenes and he just, he pops up and he just goes action and then goes away and he's back to his nebbish character.
I could see that being really, really fun. And also, I, I saw that they only took eight days to film this whole movie, which is kind of insane because the first 30 minutes is literally a one shot, so they never cut. So they, they performed
speaker 2: Actually, I think they did technically cut a couple times. Did they?
But they filmed it as a one shot. Yeah.
speaker 1: Oh, the first 37 minutes. They actually
speaker 2: did. Yeah. I think I saw there were few if you did.
speaker 1: Oh, okay. I thought I read somewhere. I thought they they did it all in
speaker 2: one shot. Yeah. I. You read that they did do it in one shot? I did read it in one shot. Yeah. Let's, let's figure this out.
Somebody gets, are Googling that Continue, Matt. Well I was just gonna say
speaker 1: if they, it was basically they did a one act play for 37 minutes, but to do all that in eight days is remarkable. I think I heard they filmed that 37 part, that 37 minute part in two days, and then I think they ran it four times. At least this is what I read.
I don't know. That's,
speaker 3: that's kind of unbelievable. Yeah. To your point, Matt, and also the, um, the gore and the effects that they would have to do and keep that consistent.
speaker 1: Yeah, exactly right.
speaker 3: Tracking that would've been really difficult. I wonder if they, I wonder how they shot it. Was it a lin, like a linear shoot for certain parts of it, and then like, it was more traditional, just like different scenes edited together, kind of clumped together according to location.
I'd be curious to know like what their kind of game plan for it was and if it Yeah. You know, whatever it was, was extremely
speaker 1: complicated to keep all, it was very complicated together and to make it look cheap too, and to have all these Easter eggs within it. I think it comes back to the writing. 'cause I think you had a writing and, and, and, uh, with it storyboarding.
Mm-hmm. And like going in with that big plan to have all those spots that had to be hit. It's based on a play.
speaker 2: Well, so let's talk about, first of all, you guys are right. What? They took six tries mm-hmm. To get, to get it all in one take. Yeah. So it is one continuous shot, but it took six attempts. And they're calling those takes.
So basically what what's confusing if you Google it is they got one take and six takes Yes. Is what it says everywhere. Gotcha. Yeah. So it's not actually based on a play. There's a controversy, which I did some research on. I don't know if you guys saw that. I did, yeah. Um, yeah. So according to Variety, there's a playwright, and I'm gonna again take a stab at the name Ada.
Um, who claimed after it came out that one Cut was based on his play. Ghost in the Box. Apparently the creator of One Cut of the Dead had seen that. And I think he, he knew the playwright. I think that's why the guy assumed it was, you know, sort of a, a, he was clearly inspired by. And then according to Yahoo, this guy Patrick Cunningham, who's a Japan based American producer, resolved the conflict by purchasing the rights and negotiating like a, an agreement between the two of them.
So, which is why if you go to I M D B and other websites like that, it will actually credit two writers. It'll credit the director who wrote it, and also this playwright as sort of like an adaptation.
speaker 1: Yeah. And I noticed in the credits they put, inspired by Ghost. Ghost in the Box. Mm-hmm. So I'm wondering, was that added in later?
Because if there's this controversy, the playwright must have saw this movie Yeah. In Japan before, and then maybe they added it. Yeah, it
speaker 2: was released first, I believe, and then the controversy kicked in.
speaker 1: Right. So then I guess they added it in for
speaker 2: Amazon. Yeah. You edited
speaker 1: everything and Yeah, because I, I googled, I wanted to see what this play was about.
I was like, oh, I didn't know it was based on a play, hoping maybe I could do it someday. I
speaker 3: can you imagine this is a play, right? Like I was, I was looking at the movie and I was like, how, how is this actually based on a play? If it was inspired by That makes a lot more sense. Yeah. You know, like, how, how
speaker 1: would you actually do this?
Well, like I said, like it is structured. It's structured like a play. Definitely. I could definitely see it as a play. It'd be a lot different. Like, I think, like I said, the first act would be, there'd be a three act play. It'd be a first act would be the horror movie, the second act behind the scenes. Or the, the coming of it.
So yeah, I I can definitely see the structure of it.
speaker 3: Sorry. How would you deal with the point of view, you know, like the Easter eggs and how you start seeing behind the scenes really has so much to do with where the camera's positioned right? And what
speaker 2: they're allowed to see? Well, no, you would just like you do the first round.
Okay. I'm not the expert. Matt, you wanna explain? No, I was gonna say,
speaker 1: you can do it. Yeah. I, I could see this. It wouldn't, I won't, I don't think it'd be as effective. But you basically, you, it's just basically one shot. The audience is the camera, basically. And the first act is easy. First act, you just do it like the horror play.
And then the second act you kind of introduce the characters and everything like that. The third act would be where, where the challenge would be where you're saying where with the, the camera point of view. You have these characters in the play, like the stage manager or whatever come out. And do all the effects while like other side of the stage, the action's going on.
So it's kind of like, I could see it like a split scene, like third act would be a split scene where half the stage would be the, the quote unquote zombie movie, and the other half would be the, the crew people behind the scenes going over. I see. And I, like I said, I think it'd be cool to see it on stage, but I don't think it would be as nearly as effective.
I think it definitely works better as a
speaker 2: movie. Mm-hmm. Did you read much about Ghost
speaker 1: in the Box? I have not, no.
speaker 2: I couldn't find anything like a me neither. Good summary. And the impression I got is it's just sort of like, like the concept of a movie about a, a movie or a play, about a play or something is what, is what That he, and that's Supernatural Elements, right?
Is what he claimed were the same, but I, I am now curious. I mean, it was apparently kind of like a student theater type situation where it, I think it played very briefly to a small number of people, but because the director did see it, that was the grounds for the claim. Right. So it certainly isn't something that I think people are showing anymore.
Ghost in the Box. Right.
speaker 3: Is there any similarity here between, wasn't there a controversy around who owns the rights to Top
speaker 2: Gun? I think so. I do recall something along those lines. Yeah. Were
speaker 3: were someone on the rights to, and I, I could be wrong here. We had, I think we discussed it maybe our previous episode,
speaker 2: the Maverick episode.
I think it Zeno had some of the rights, right? Isn't that correct? I think
speaker 1: so. Yeah. Or
speaker 3: X, he saw the loft.
speaker 2: Oh, they're gonna shut us down one day. Yeah, we're, we're done. That's one. Too many Scientology jokes we're done. When these transcripts get out there, forget it, these transcripts, it's a good thing. Zeno ai, istan
speaker 3: zino AI is gonna come after it
speaker 2: scanning the internet for any, uh, chat zino.
Oh, these laughs will turn to tears soon. Oh, no. No doubt. No doubt. Tom Cruise is gonna divorce me
speaker 1: again. Tom Cruise would've been good in this movie. What, what part would Tom Cruise have played?
speaker 2: Oh, that's a good question. How about a diarrhea guy?
speaker 1: The, uh, trunk Trunk dp. Could you, like, if this was gonna be a remade as an Amer a US film, who would you want to like, cast and like direct it?
speaker 2: Ooh. Okay. A little fantasy
speaker 1: casting. Little fantasy casting. Take away marketing all aside, because I feel like it would be impossible to have like superstars be in this movie and not give it away in the trailer.
speaker 2: Well, no, there might be an angle there. Yeah. So one of the worst movies I've ever seen in the theater is a little gym called Battlefield Earth.
speaker 1: Oh, true. Yeah. Back to Scientology.
speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Uh, as usual, right? I think if you created this aura around the film, like it is one of these celebrity pet projects and you have to give it a different name so no one would know.
But basically it's, it's being created because of Seth Rogan and his cronies wanted to make this low budget film as a favor to like a cancer child or likes Scientology's attempt or, you know, some foreign country is trying to break into big filmmaking. Okay. So you give it like this auspice of, or this, uh, you know, illusionary like blanket of.
There's a plausible reason why good people could make something terrible if you slip that in. Yeah. Then I really think you could fool the audience for 37 minutes into thinking that even good actors, like, maybe it's not their fault, but like they just, it was done cheaply. It was done for a charity. It was, whatever the excuse is, it's bad.
Like, you know, the writing is bad. The actors are off the sound, the lighting is messed up. Right. Okay. And, and the story is stupid, but they did it for some reason. And then you kick into Act two and everybody gets a good laugh. I
speaker 1: think that's a genius idea. They, I, I, I don't know if you remember this, but Will Ferrell, and I think it was Kristen Wig did a lifetime movie.
Mm-hmm. And that was like basically the whole plot where like, there, that the whole gimmick was, they were doing a lifetime movie, so people tuned in to watch them do this lifetime movie. Oh. But that, the issue with that is, They played it seriously. Ah. So I watched it for, you know, two hours and it was one of the most boring movies I ever saw.
So you were waiting for them to break out? I was waiting for the, the twist happen where something, something's gonna happen, but it never happened. They almost like trick the audience, like punk the audience to watch this lifetime movie and they play it seriously and straight the entire time. But I think you have something going there with that kind of idea.
Yeah. What about that,
speaker 3: that crew? I think that's a, yeah, that's, that's really funny. That crew, that crew. The
speaker 1: waiting too live, you know, you know
speaker 3: what I'm talking about that like comedy.
speaker 1: Yeah. Too live
speaker 2: crew maybe. Perfect for this. That's the only crew I think. Where are those guys?
Actually that's an idea. You could take a band. I'm sorry, go ahead. What were you saying? No, I was saying
speaker 3: whoever did waiting for Guffman, you know,
speaker 1: like Christopher Guest and Parker Posey, I think it is Jennifer Coolidge. Yep. At whole like comedy troupe. Yes. That. That's who I would see. That's like perfect because they're like famous but not famous enough.
Like you, I think you could totally get away with that trope of doing that. And this is their humor. Right. And they, they're all about mockumentaries. Right? Exactly. It's the whole thing.
speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you could also take actors who are famous, but not for acting. So you could be like, this is a band's attempt at making a movie.
Kind of like The Beatles. But there's actually a twist in that they realize the first 37 minutes is unwatchable and they're not as bad at actors as they seem because again, there's a conceit there that would explain why someone would release a movie this bad because of their egos. Right,
speaker 1: right. It's kind of like when Rob, Rob Zombie does his movies,
speaker 2: right?
Yes. Except there's a little better
speaker 1: receipt.
speaker 3: True.
speaker 1: What about that Foo Fighters movie that came out? Oh yeah. Something like that. Yeah, yeah,
speaker 3: yeah. I imagine it's terrible,
speaker 1: but I don't know. Yeah, I know what you're talking about. I never saw it. It's like a ma horror, like a comedy horror. It's a comedy horror. I mean, there might be a twist there too.
I only watched the trailer and looked
speaker 2: so, or two Live cruise movie. You heard it here first. Folks,
speaker 1: if you're listening to live crew,
speaker 2: Re live crew. Would that be the zombie boy? Two Reanimated Crews. It's gotta be a bad title. Um, okay, so I wanted to ask you guys this too. The first part of the film, the first act is intentionally a really lousy, low budget movie. And it's supposed to be a horror, but it's just, it's horrible. Right? The second two acts are done with cliche, upbeat, kind of a tone.
It's almost like an eighties comedy. Mm-hmm. You know, there's like mugging for the camera, you know, where it is. Like, so you want me to do, or you want to film a a zombie movie? Movie in one shot live and he looks right at the camera and mugs through the camera. Yeah. There's like bass and moroccos and bongos.
It's almost like heist music in the background. When they're filming, they add in like poop jokes and 80 guitar riffs. So it is quite cheesy. Now, did that bother you or did you like that as a way to play off of the tone of the first act?
speaker 1: Uh, that's a good question. I honestly didn't really notice it all that much.
I kind of noticed it a little bit with the director of dp. He was a little bit of an over actor, I would say, like in the the Act two and three with his drunkenness. I'm kind of also wondering if it's cultural. Like how movies are made culturally, because if you, I, I don't watch a ton of movies from Japan, but the ones that I have seen, they kind of, I don't wanna say overact, that's not the, that's not the right phrase, but kind of like they embellish almost a little bit more than American actors do.
Mm-hmm. Americans are try to usually kind of play natural where, uh, like that 1940s American style of acting. Exactly. Yeah. So I think they, they do a little bit more. So I, that kind of like, it stuck out a little bit to me, so I don't even know if that was part of the, try to make it a balance out of the zaniness.
So I don't, I don't know if that was part of that or if it was more cultural, how they make their movies. It didn't bother me. I enjoyed it. Before
speaker 2: I get, uh, my co-hosts opinion on that, the drunk character, I interpreted as that kind of classic drunk character that you see a lot in Asian films. Mm-hmm. And I, I've seen that so much.
Like the drunk fighting or just the, like, stumbles into town. He seemed like he was playing that exactly on par with the comedic, you know, exaggeration kind of worked in, I agree. I think maybe that's what that was. But the kind of upbeat, almost sitcom quality to the second two acts. Did that bother you?
speaker 1: No, it didn't really bother me at all. No. I, I think it was needed.
speaker 2: Okay. Because the first time I saw it, I didn't really notice it that much. It, it was important to reset the tone of the film. The second time I was like, man, that is laying on thick. I think once I expected it all I could hear were like bongos in the background, like guitarists and it was like, come on guys.
But, but I thought maybe it was intentional, but it did crank up the cheese factor for sure.
speaker 1: I could see that. I could see that. And I think if I watched it the second time, I think I, I don't think I would enjoy it as much the second time around. 'cause I think part of the, the enjoyment was the Swiss surprise.
Mm-hmm. Surprise of it. Yeah. Yeah.
speaker 3: I really enjoyed the music in the beginning actually. Even though it was like super, super cheesy, really like the, the score uhhuh. There were points where I was like, oh, this is a pretty good score. Huh. Like for a horror movie.
speaker 2: Yeah.
speaker 1: For the first 37 minutes, was there anything you liked about it?
Was there anything you're like, okay, this is, this is pretty, besides the score, I guess could say. I, I
speaker 3: kind of liked the acting, the director's wife's
speaker 1: acting. Okay.
speaker 2: That was the only thing that I was really like, oh, this is, she's
speaker 1: not so bad. She's good. So bad. Pretty good. Yeah, she's pretty good. I, I agree. She was like the most natural out of 'em.
And I think that makes sense because she is a method actress in real life, so it makes sense that she was the best one in the movie Uhhuh.
speaker 2: She was playing it as a better actor. Right? Maybe unintentionally, but Yeah. 'cause her, her character was sort of overcome, right. Uhhuh. Right. Yeah, that makes sense. So she wasn't playing a bad actor as
speaker 1: much, right?
Yeah. I mean, I thought the main girl was really pretty. So that
speaker 2: was, I was gonna say that, but I didn't wanna sound like a creep 'cause I didn't look up her age. I'll be the
speaker 1: creep. That's the cute podcast. That's why we brought you on here. That's right. I'll be cute for our next question. I, I thought the main actress in the, in the zombie film was really just stunning.
So I was like, she's
speaker 2: very cute. Hold on. I have a special guest, Chris Hanson, who
speaker 1: wants to join. Oh, come on. She's gotta be now. I, I'm trying to think of anything else really. It wasn't the echo in the. Where they were. I don't know if it was like a gymnasium or something, whatever they were, that really bugged me because the Oh, yeah.
The sound quality
speaker 2: was so bad. We're all about sound quality here. Yeah,
speaker 1: exactly. The highest quality Michelin star sounds, so I, it just, and whenever they screamed, it was just so loud and like uhhuh.
speaker 2: It, it's unpleasant. It is almost unwatchable. Yeah. It's, it's really hard to get through, but that just makes it so much better when you hit the twist.
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
speaker 1: And there was times where like there was blood splatter on the camera and Yes. Creepy. And they camera and I was like, creepy. Did they set this up to be a documentary? I don't remember
speaker 2: that. I was yelling at this. I to my friend, can you believe this? This is unbelievable. He just wiped off the camera.
Yeah. My friend like came running back in from the kitchen. Hilarious. And then the camera guy fell down. I was like, I think he just fell down. My friend's like, what happened? What happened to the shot? I was like, I think he fell down. The camera guy just fell down. Unbel that, that's what I enjoyed the most is how unbelievably bad it was.
And shouting that at my friend
speaker 1: that. Did your friend like
speaker 2: catch it at all? Yeah. Oh, he loved it. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I actually bought the shirt. Don't have, oh, did you? I bought the hilarious one cut of the dead shirt. I ordered it online. I love it. That's funny.
speaker 3: I love that. Sorry. That small scene where they're chasing them through like kind of the the high grass and that girl that really wanted to have that zoom.
Oh yeah. And she gets to do it and then she turns around and keeps running. It was so funny. Yeah. Like those little touches really made such a huge
speaker 2: difference, you know? Oh yeah. You know, rewatching the disaster that is the first 37 minutes at the end again, is such a fun experience because everything pays off.
Ah, like all these awkward moments and like, like one of my favorite bits is, and just picking up from the middle. In the month preparation, one of the actors in the movie is supposed to be, I guess he's kind of a celebrity and he's good looking and he's got a real ego and he's really, he kind of, um, bosses the director around all week.
But then in the second version, or in the first version, we get to see the director now playing the director in the zombie movie. Slap him. Yeah. And yell. You've been talking back since rehearsal. Yeah. Which wasn't even in their script. So funny. Yeah, I'd lived that because he was so.
speaker 3: And that, that simple scene in the beginning it was 42 takes.
Did you catch that?
speaker 2: Yes, yes. Oh yeah. Four, two takes. It was like a Stanley Kubrick moment and the lead actress, I guess she's got representation that's really strict about what's allowed to, like what can be done to her on screen and what can't. And she specifically says like, look, I'm, I'm okay with it, but my representation says that you can't put fake vomit on me.
Right. And then the actor actually vomits on her. The drunk actor. Yeah. It's like small things. It's so funny's. Great.
speaker 3: I wonder how someone who doesn't know anything about behind the scenes of movie making at all watching this. Oh yeah. What their
speaker 2: take on it would be. I don't know. That's a good question because the audience reviews are not a hundred percent.
Okay. I looked at Google and if you look at the audience score on Rotten Tomatoes, it's like 82%, or I think Google was like 87%. So, you know, obviously people liked it, but I don't know if like your average movie goer or that's not even a real thing. Somebody who likes a Transformers movie would, uh, to be more specific, would watch this movie if they were forced to sit through it.
You know? What was that? Uh, agent Orange, not what's that movie? Um, where they strap him into the chair and make 'em watch. Oh, clockwork Orange. Clockwork Orange. Thank you. Same thing, clockwork Orange. Like if you strapped a Transformer's audience in, you know, and forced them to watch this movie, if at the end of it they would be like, I get it, but it's okay.
Or if they would say, I don't really get it, or they would love it. Yeah, who
speaker 3: knows? Maybe they would get a lot out of it in the sense that. Oh, I didn't realize movies were really made
speaker 2: like this. Or maybe, or maybe they would just get some of the jokes and think it was a little bit up its own rear end. I don't
speaker 1: know.
I think they would appreciate it, but not as much as people who are into film. Mm-hmm. Appreciate it. I think it's like the. Waiting for Guffman crew. I don't know if you guys are in the theater and stuff like that, but watching them put on a community theater show, I think I have friends who aren't in the theater and they don't, they hate that movie, but I love it because it's like, this is very true.
This is real life. I think you make a good point. There might be, quote unquote, I'm a Transformers audience. I've seen every single transformers in the theater. I'm a big Transformers fan too, so, so put me in that.
speaker 2: I, this is, this is the last episode of this podcast.
speaker 1: Actually, Steve and I, I don't know if you remember this, Steve.
We went to go see the original Transformers together. I
speaker 3: think so, yeah. I,
speaker 1: I do remember we got like a press pass to see it. We're like one of the first people to see it with Mads, I think. What's that? Mads, I think the bridges of Madison County. Yeah. Yeah. So we, um, double feature, there's a lot, a lot of inside jokes here, but we, uh, We, we went to, it was a press pass and I remember the whole like next, because we gotta see like a week before everyone else Uhhuh.
We're like, we gotta see Transformers, press pass. No big deal.
speaker 2: Mm-hmm. You should have been warning. Everyone
speaker 1: did. You're not like the, he hates transformers. Don't absolutely hates it. You don't like the first one?
speaker 2: I mean, the first one is the least bad of them all. I don't know. It has the most that meets the eye.
speaker 1: I came, I was steamed up after the first one. Mm-hmm. I was, I think I went to see back, I think I saw that four times in the theater. I
speaker 2: wasn't that steamed. Oh, so the sequel is your fault?
speaker 1: Yeah. The sequels are my fault. Mark Wahlberg is my fault. And I'm gonna, the new one's coming out soon. I'm gonna go see that one too.
Yeah.
speaker 2: Uh, no. No surprise there.
So, uh, you guys referenced spinoffs and sequels. There are actually spinoffs and sequels. I'll just read 'em out. There's one cut of the dead. It's a, it's called, the title is One Cut of the Dead Spinoff Colon in Hollywood. It was made for TV and it, I believe it follows the daughter making her own movie in Hollywood with similar kind of a structure, but I don't know if it has a supernatural element to it.
So that was in 2019. In 2021, during the pandemic, the creator of this wrote and directed via Zoom one Cut of the Dead Mission Colon Remote, and it's available on YouTube for free. And I watched it and I'll talk about that. But there's also a French language remake called Final Cut, which opened the Can Film Festival in 2022.
Wow,
speaker 1: I didn't know all this. I have no idea. Yeah. You're a, a wealth of knowledge.
speaker 2: That's all the time. I don't spend watching Transformers movies. Least you're keeping yourself busy. Protecting my brain
speaker 1: cells. Now, like you said, you watched one of 'em, did you, are all of 'em available
speaker 2: now? No, I couldn't, I couldn't find one cut of the dead spinoff colon in Hollywood.
I looked for it for a while. It looks like it was made for TV in Japan. Okay. Maybe somebody can email in and tell me where to find it. 'cause I would like to watch that one Cut of the Dead Mission remote is available on YouTube. That's the one I watched. The premise is the two filmmakers who approach the director at the beginning of Act two.
Yep. The woman and the guy. They say, Hey, we're, we want you to make a, you know those like unsolved mysteries shows? Yeah. It's like a crime reenactment show. Yeah. Okay. They said, we want you to make a crime reenactment episode. We want you to do it during the pandemic. And that's the bit. And he's like, you want me to make a crime reenactment drama during the pandemic where everyone filmed separately and they're like, yes, exactly.
So everybody logs in via Zoom. It's all the same actors, right? And they log in and they do stories of this criminal who's committed multiple crimes. And so each one, each little vignette is done using the combination of an A victim who's filmed separately and the attacker. Who's, who's on a different zoom window.
So it's like a split window kind of thing? Mm-hmm. And the victims have to pretend like they're being attacked by someone else, and it has to line up with the guy doing the attacking. And they do different version after different version with different pairings and in between their shots where the director's like, okay, that one was pretty good, but like try to get like more distinguished sunglasses or like more recognizable sunglasses.
So then the guy who's the killer comes in next time with like really ridiculous sunglasses and he is like, okay, that was fine, but next time make them a little bit less. Right? And then the actors have their own demands. The guy who was the, wants to be a serious actor. He is good looking and kind of famous.
Yeah. In this bit he decides to embellish his character and give it all this backstory. So when he's the victim, he has like this big bouquet of flowers and he's, afterwards, he's explaining that the character was on his way to go meet someone. It's like this whole long thing. It's, it's really funny. So the director's very harried and he is trying to make it work and the, uh, dps in it as a victim, but he's like drunk.
I was laughing out loud when I was watching it. It was quite good. Full length. No, it's probably what, 15 minutes or something? Oh, I wanna watch it then. Yeah. I'm gonna check that out. Yeah, I highly recommend it. It's, it's very funny.
speaker 1: And is the French one the same movie? Just in
speaker 2: French? I don't know. I also tried to find that and I was gonna watch it.
Um, I did find a trailer. It looks like they took some liberties with the story, but I, it wasn't even in English, so I was trying to like, sort out what was going on and I couldn't quite get a read on it. Mm-hmm. So the, those are out there as part of the mythology. And if you're even more dedicated than I am, you can dive in and, and find those somewhere.
If you do email me links. 'cause I'd actually love to, uh,
speaker 1: yeah, I'd like to watch it too. Do you think
speaker 2: there'll be an American remake? They're, that's in the works, so they bought the rights, but I think the pandemic kind of screwed that up. Mm-hmm. So they were talking about
speaker 1: doing that. I bet. I mean, I bet you if it was successful overseas, it's gonna, they're gonna Yeah, definitely do it here.
Yeah. I don't especially budget. Take. Yeah.
speaker 2: Yeah. But it had so much heat. I think he was really smart to do this like remote thing and upload it to YouTube. 'cause I think it kind of kept some of the energy alive. Yeah. But I, I don't know. It'd be like if Blair Witch came out and, or it, it was like a known, like underground, independent film.
And then there was some sort of three-year interruption. I don't know that it really would've hit theaters or done well when
speaker 1: it did. No, no,
speaker 2: I don't think so. I don't know. So what would you guys do with this property? Would you do an American remake? Would you do a sequel? What would you do?
speaker 1: I don't think a sequel would work as well.
I mean, I guess they semi did a sequel with the kind of, yeah, with the, the Zoom one.
speaker 2: Actually they, the spinoff is a sequel too. Sorry,
speaker 1: go ahead. Oh, the spinoff. So, well, okay, let me ask you this. For the Zoom movie, did they do an actual movie beforehand? Like the first five minutes? Was it an
speaker 2: actual movie? No, he, he changed the structure.
So it basically starts at
speaker 1: act two. Okay. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I, I, I mean, I think they, I don't know, I, with the same cast, I, I wouldn't mind them like just doing another movie, but starting, I guess with Act two, like you couldn't do, ah, see, that's hard because I, I, I feel like you need that, that first, you know, 30 minutes, but you couldn't do it.
You couldn't have the switch, so it'd have to be something known.
speaker 2: So I, I, I think you're on the right track. You know what
speaker 1: I'm saying? It's, I think so, yeah. I think you can do it. You could still do it, and I think people could enjoy it knowing that the first 30 minutes is not going to be, isn't real. Like they're filming something.
You have to pay attention. It's kind of similar to like the knives out movies, kind of. Mm-hmm. Where it's like the first 30 minutes or so is just the mystery and then you have to like get through that and then it's the solving like the second knives out, like the um, the glass onion. You knew David, Daniel Craig is gonna come in and solve the mystery or whatever.
So you just have to go for the first 30 minutes of figuring it out. I don't know. I, no, I think I'm having a hard time forming words
speaker 2: sort of building on that. Well, that's, that's not why we brought you in, so don't worry. Building on that. I think if you, if we take your idea of doing a mystery film Yeah.
And you shoot a 37 minute mystery. But you do it poorly. Yeah. Not quite as poorly. And then you do a similar structure where you back up, I think, uh, knives out or a glass onion does that, it backs up and gives you backstory. Yeah. Right. So you're, you're basically doing the same thing. It's, it's like a parody of glass onion at this point mm-hmm.
Where you start off with like a little bit of an Agatha Christie esque kind of movie, but it's not very good. Yes. Then you back up and you talk about how they're gonna be making an Agatha Christie type movie, and then people, it starts to dawn on people, and then you redo the first 37 minutes, but you show why it was so bad.
Gotcha. That can absolutely work. You could do that with a Western, you do that kind of thing, and instead of calling it one cut of something mm-hmm. That would give it away to fans. The, I think the original translation of the name of this movie is Don't Stop the Cameras. Or don't stop filming. Okay. I think is what it is.
Okay. So you could do some variation on that to make it clear that it's like, uh, you know, a sequel or in the vein of, or whatever, and you know, then do a remake that way so it's not horror. It's a different genre and you can play with a similar structure. Gotcha. I think that would work.
speaker 1: Yeah, I think so
speaker 2: too.
Any other thoughts? Anybody else? What you do with this, uh, ip? Yeah, I was wondering
speaker 3: if there was something that could be done and make it a reality show of some type. Ooh. With different film crews. I know we've
speaker 2: kind of explored this before. No, no. Keep going. Keep context. Right. How would that
speaker 3: work? I know maybe it's not the best filmmakers.
But the worst
speaker 2: filmmakers. Right. So you, you get, you intentionally assemble a bad team that are, that thinks sincerely that they're making, that they, they can do this. Okay. That they're making a movie. Right? Yeah. I mean, I, and you throw obstacles at 'em so that it falls apart, but you tell them it has to be one cut, right?
speaker 3: Yeah. And see what they do. 'cause that would be pretty hilarious. And then you'd have the segments where they're interviewing the different crew
speaker 2: members, what they were thinking in preparation. So you go back ahead.
speaker 3: Yeah. You, you could do, you could do the preparation part, but I was also thinking like in the typical reality show format where they're interviewing people in between these different takes,
speaker 2: what would Oh, right.
At that time. So they're talking about how terrible the experience is and all that they are at each other.
speaker 3: Right. And then it would be really funny to have, like, to see the conflicts between those different film crews. Or you could have multiple film crews competing against each other, but the infighting within the film crew as to what they should do or how things should be set up, et cetera.
And then you're throwing obstacles in there. Yeah, maybe some of the other film crews are throwing the
speaker 2: obstacles in. I like it. No, that works. So you have act one, which is if we're doing like a, if it's a, a film length documentary, a slash reality documentary, you could do it that way. It's 30 something minutes.
Or if it's a TV show, you have like three episodes or four episodes where people are, you've assembled this crew, they're shooting a, like a short horror film, let's say. And the, you're intentionally like all these things are going wrong. Mm-hmm. And you're interviewing them and they're getting upset and they're desperate and they're trying to make this work and you know, it's falling apart.
And then part two is you jump back in time and you show, like the show, the reality TV show assembling these people. Mm-hmm. And kind of setting them up to fail. Right. And then the last three episodes are the first three episodes, but the camera crew's being filmed and you can see the production crew for the reality show, like intentionally throwing obstacles in their way.
Right. And then maybe like a final episode where they're in on it and they get to talk about the experience and laugh at themselves and stuff like that. Like maybe they get to watch that video with the audience. Yeah, it
speaker 3: would. Yeah. I think that would work. Yeah. And it would be funny to have like the casting portion of it, how they're assembling these, these crews.
'cause you know, in an American idol, they're trying to pick. The greatest singer, you know? Mm-hmm. That comes in front of 'em, but you find out pretty quickly that they're just crabbing, the worst of the worst, and then putting them together into kind of like a super group
speaker 1: competing with each other.
speaker 2: I think that would be really funny.
I love it. Great. All right, well, before we wrap up, is there anything else you guys wanted to get into about one cut of the dead? No,
speaker 1: I feel like, uh, I, I wanna be a champion of this movie. Mm-hmm. Because I remember you telling me about this. I'm like, okay, I don't give a, I, I would not have watched it if it weren't for this podcast.
I have, there's a lot of barriers. You changed lives here. You changed lives. I feel like a new human being right now, so I have to thank you for,
speaker 2: but I was just like, thanks for all the, the opening clips for this episode.
speaker 1: Yeah. I, I, I would like to, you know, extending ip, I, I, I would like to learn more about the characters within the, the zombie movie.
I think if there was one thing I wish they kind of. Like act two, that part of like learning about them, I felt like there wasn't enough time to learn about these people except the director, a little bit director and his family. But I kind of would like to know about the method actor. Oh yeah, that's a great idea.
The pop. The pop star. Yeah. I kind of like that. I think I would like to learn more about that. I think, I don't think this would work as a TV series 'cause that basically, well no it could, it could work as a TV series. Like the first episode could be the first, the, the horror movie. And then you extend out four or five episodes of like what the, you know, the, the get together of the crew and stuff like that.
I think you'd go even further back from a month, like how, how they got the, the, the method actor, how they got, how the pop star was, was put into place. It would be kind of cool to watch this as like a, an eight part miniseries and then like the last two episodes is the, the actual making of the film. But I also thought I was kind of met at during the credits.
You could see them making Of the making of the making of the film. Yeah, that's right. I forgot
speaker 2: to mention that. Yeah. And there's actually the making of, um, documentary on YouTube as well. Oh, is there? And they had the, uh, actors pretend to make a movie. They broke 'em into groups and gave them different roles as fake, like, you know, director, sound guy and so on.
And they had them run through in the morning, different experiences, and then the director gave them tips on how to seem more like a real crew. Cool.
speaker 1: Oh yeah. That's awesome. Yeah, it was really interesting. So, yeah. Yeah. Even like behind the scenes of filmmaking, just seeing how they did everything where the actors themselves had to kind of like run off camera and, and duck around and things like that.
I thought that was kind of cool.
speaker 2: Yeah, that was cool. It reminded
speaker 3: me of the fables. Yeah. When, uh, Steven Spielberg was kind of filming his first like Western or his, uh, world
speaker 1: War II
speaker 3: movie. Oh yeah. Run around the camera and then the camera would spin and they're all like laying out of the, uh, on the floor.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or the
speaker 1: desert
speaker 3: or whatever. Right.
speaker 1: Did you see the Fable ones? I
speaker 2: did not. Or is that, is that too, I was trying, trying to stay quiet and keep my ignorance a secret.
speaker 1: Is it too much like transformers for you? Yeah, that's right.
speaker 2: Alright, so, uh, we now have up and running an email account so you can email us at don't encourage@gmail.com. That's d o n t e n c o u r and the rest of however you spell that@gmail.com. So anybody have any questions for the audience to answer? What would you do with this IP audience? Yeah, I'm, I'm always curious what, what people's ideas are, because this is a complicated.
Concept and there's a, there's a lot of really creative, fun things. So, yeah. I'm curious what people thought of when we asked that question. I'm also curious if people, what they thought of the first 37
speaker 1: minutes. Yeah, I was gonna say, I want to, I'm curious to see if, like, they sat down. Like what was their experience watching that first time?
I also want to know what kept them going. Yeah. What kept them going? That's a
speaker 2: great question. Why did you keep
speaker 1: watching? 'cause I, uh, if I just, yeah, I would not, I would've turned this movie off if I didn't have to watch it. Uh, basically like, I would've been like Steve, like I give you credit for actually through it like the first time.
I don't know how you, would you have gotten through it if you didn't have friends with you? Probably I did. Yeah. You would've.
speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, just, just because it was interesting to me that something could be that bad. Wow. And I would've kept checking how much longer it was. 'cause it seemed like it was ending, you know?
Yeah. And I might've started skipping around eventually, but I would've had to just because it's such a train wreck
speaker 1: it. Well, have you ever seen
speaker 2: room? No, but I've obviously heard a lot about it. Yeah. '
speaker 1: cause I'm curious, like that was just bad all the way through. I watched it after I saw The Disaster Artist, the movie on Making of the Room.
I can't imagine people how that became a call classic. 'cause that was really bad from beginning to end room
speaker 3: was, was absolutely horrible. Yeah. Yeah. And then I saw the Disaster Artist, which I really enjoyed. But, uh, watching room is like pure torture, except there's so many parts in that movie that are hilarious that you're like, how is this guy acting?
Yeah.
speaker 1: This poorly, like, his line readings are like, you can't, you can't make this up. Yeah.
speaker 3: In the, in the random. You just gotta, you wanna watch
speaker 1: that one too? You, if you like, like the first 30 something minutes of this before you knew the twist. I didn't it. You like it, it, but, well, you know, you are, I guess, intrigued enough to keep going.
Yes. I think you would be intrigued enough to watch Aurora. The dialogue makes
speaker 3: absolutely no sense in Rome
speaker 2: whatsoever. It's, it's unbelievable. Really don't wanna spoil it for you though.
speaker 1: There's no twist. There's a, there's a spoiler for you. There's no twist. Oh, great.
speaker 2: That's the best kind. A reverse mite, shaalan.
Oh yeah, exactly. All right. Well, thank you very much to the people who made this movie. I, I really truly love this movie. I had a big smile on my face when I was rewatching it. Like I, I think if you give it a year or six months, you can re-watch it and it is really, really fun and joyful. The first 37 minutes are a little painful, but it is well worth it.
Uh, thank you as always. To the listeners, please don't subscribe. Please don't write any reviews. Don't encourage us at all. Uh, next week we'll be back with dead heat and if we have time, expeditiary force. Is that the plan? Are you gonna make it through that? I'm
speaker 3: not sure. I'm having, uh, some issues getting through that.
speaker 2: We'll, we'll have to discuss off camera. So definitely dead heat and possibly the much delayed exponential force or not. Thanks everybody, and thanks of course, Matt, to our special guest. Really appreciate it. Special guest, is there anything we can see you, any, any performances coming up that we might be able to check you out in?
speaker 1: So I am not in anything then, so No, you can't see me. I'll be in September. You heard it here first folks. In September of 2023, I will be in, uh, part two of Angels in America. I don't know if you know that play Uhhuh, it's, uh, about the AIDS crisis in the 1980s.
speaker 2: Okay. So different than angels in the
speaker 1: outfield D Yes, quite different.
Are you anywhere on YouTube by the way? That I can catch on any short films or anything? Oh good. Uh, let's see. I am a in a short called The Brother. Just go look up the brother. I'm in a music video. Recently, but I can't remember the name of the video. I can't remember the name of the song. Say, say, say hello to someday, that's what it's called.
Say
speaker 2: hello to some say. Say, say hello to someday
speaker 1: say Hello to Someday. And yeah, I think that's, and then I'm in a couple other shorts that I can't think of it the moment. Do they Google your name? You Google? Matt Bachman. B A U G H M A N. Uh, yes, you could probably find some videos on me.
speaker 2: Excellent. Okay, so if our audience wants to catch you, they can find you on YouTube, they can find you in the theater, or they can go to screenings of Transformers, beast Wars, and look for you.
I'll be there opening night watching watches that you do. Is that right? Wearing his hood in the corner of the theater, in the,
speaker 1: excuse me,
speaker 2: probably wide awake. Unlike the rest of the audience.
speaker 1: Hey.
speaker 2: Thanks everybody. Thanks
speaker 3: everybody. Thank you Matt. Thank the audience.
speaker 2: Alright. Thank you for having me. See you next week.